Hello everyone,
I’m about to purchase a used R1 V2 in a couple of days and was wondering how small batches (below 250g) compare to medium/big batches (Above 500g) in terms of overall quality and consistency of roast.
I mainly plan to use the roaster for the following:
-frequent sampling (Rob Hoos 150g)
-profile roasting 200~350g batches 3~4 times a week for myself, family & guests
I know that with any roaster, as long as heat and time is applied efficiently, you can get great overall cup but my main concerns are the consistency in quality, repeatability, accuracy of temp readings, and scalability when it comes to the batches of different sizes.
I’m curious to know what is everyone’s experience in regards to batches with this roaster. Do smaller batches yield worse or better result than bigger batches for you? Which do you find easier to create a profile with? How consistent are the roasts?
For context, I’ve been roasting with a wok for nearly 2 years and recently decided to get serious about roasting.
I want to thank you all in advance. This community and the awesome members here are very helpful, generous with their knowledge, and I’m excited to start roasting on the bullet and providing value to this community soon.
-Alex
Small batches can be tricky to control, both because a smaller bean mass reacts to setting adjustments (power, fan, drum) more quickly, and because the temp and RoR plots are noisier. For several years I roasted 300 g batches, then recently switched to 1 lb batches. The larger batch size yields noticeably smoother temp and RoR curves, but takes longer to respond to changes to setting adjustments.
I wonder if the probe and IBTS temp sensors can provide reliable readings for a 150 batch size. You may be measuring the drum or air temp more than the bean temp. I’d be curious to know if anyone has looked into that!
It’ll take a fair number of roasts for you to develop a feel for how to manage such small charge weights, but you should be able to get consistent results.
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I can related to roasting in a wok! Did that for 6 months then I bought the FreshRoast SR500 and now on the Bullet for the last 3 yrs.
I found larger batches are easier to be consistent. You can get consistent results with a 450g to 500g ( about 1-lb for those of us in the US) as well. I’m mostly roasting 1kg batches now for that consistency and control that @coffee_mook mentioned.
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@rock2live1.JqKl
Hi, I get muddier flavor in the larger batches.
Smaller batches are less uniform, and less consistent, but they can be cleaner and sweeter.
Other users have mentioned being able to get the same flavors between batch sizes, I have not seen this to be possible.
The larger the batch size the more potential smoke flavour infusing into the beans, you may find increasing your fan speed after 1st crack will give you the cleaner profile you’re looking for.
I’m beginning to realize how messed up my machine was. I believe if someone gets that different or bad of results as I did, they may have an issue with their machine. A lot of my previous comments about the Bullet are probably more related to an issue with my machine. Aillio tech admitted one of the issues I found, but has disregarded the other one.
I think I have found a work around that helps, but I’d like to get some confirmation from tech support, as opposed to using a work around.
@ben.zbQY
I do think that it still stands as a trend that the larger batches have a duller but more uniform taste. And like you said, the larger batches have a lot more smoke at some roast levels.